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Daniel - Part V

The Continuing Four-Kingdom Theme:


Apparently, the Jews did not abandon the four kingdom theme, but interpreted Rome as the fourth and final empire. Within these later Jewish sources it was intended as an anti-Roman polemic. Where five empire lists exist (Polybius), it is most likely a conflation of the prior-existing schema that began with Assyria. Rabbinic and other interpreters obviously relied on Daniel for their interpretations (e.g. 4 Esdras (Ezra) 12:11-12; 2 Bar. 39:3-7), and Jesus speaks of elements within Daniel as still as yet to take place (Matt 24:15; Mk 13:14).

As Rome became viewed as the fourth empire, Babylonia had to remain as the first due to Daniel explicitly saying so; Greece became the third, which left either Media or Persia being cut or combined into one kingdom in the dream. Since the time of at least Josephus, the interpretation has been most popular as follows:

Babylonia (head, gold), a combined Medo-Persian empire (arms/chest, silver), which Josephus intimated by stating,

“the two hands and arms signify this, that your government shall be dissolved by two kings” Ant. 10.10.4.

The third empire has been thought to be Greece (belly/thigh, bronze) and finally, the fourth kingdom most popularly interpreted as Rome (legs/feet, iron and iron/clay mixture). While Josephus does not explicitly say he believes the fourth kingdom to be Rome, it appears as though he did. Flusser comments,

“He could not openly speak about the common interpretation of the four empires in Daniel because of its anti-Roman character, but when he interprets Nebuchadnezzer’s dream in Daniel ii (Ant. X, 209-210) his intention was clear to all readers who were prepared to understand him” JOC, 327.

Commenting on chapter eight Josephus also records,

“Indeed it so came to pass, that our nation suffered these things under Antiochus Epiphanies, according to Daniel’s vision, and what he wrote many years before they came to pass. In the very same manner Daniel also wrote concerning the Roman government, and that our country should be made desolate by them” Ant. 10.11.6.

Iian Provan in his commentary on Daniel states:

“There is, moreover, an inherent weakness in the ‘Greek hypothesis’ – that the book of Daniel nowhere explicitly says that there was a Median Empire. It only says that Babylon was ruled for a while by a king of Median extraction, who is said to have applied the laws of the Medes and the Persians (6:8) and may well have been the same person as Cyrus the Persian (if the end of 6:28 is translated ‘the reign of Darius, that is, the reign of Cyrus the Persian’). Media and Persia are two parts of the same empire in Daniel – the two horns on the single ram of ch. 8 [v.20]. The fourth empire on this view is not named in the book, but thought of as coming after Greece (i.e. Rome).”

While Provan does not specifically view Rome as being the fourth kingdom following Greece as third, he does view the fourth simply as

“an empire to come, at some point after the Greek empire has passed away, during which the events of the end times occur” Dunn, Provan, “Daniel,” Eerdman’s Commentary on the Bible, 667.

Finally, it is interesting to note that nowhere is the kingdom that replaces the fourth (whether identified as Greece, Rome or some other unknown confederacy) called the “fifth.” Due to its description of 

1) originating without human hands; 
2) encompassing the whole earth; 
3) being without end, replacement or destruction, it is clearly not just another kingdom, but rather the eschaton of sorts; another kind of kingdom. Some view this kingdom as the reversion of the Jews to their rightful locale or the rule of God, interpreted through the rise of Christianity.

Whatever identification we assign to the four kingdoms and their exact time of existence and supplanting, it is evident that the point of it all is summed up in the rule of God, and his establishment of a superior kingdom. This is a kingdom dominated by peace (Isa. 2) and a time of rejuvenation of the nations (Isa. 19:22-25). Attempts to predict the time of the end with calculation and application of Danielic text to modern events has proven to be inaccurate while doing a great disservice to the intention of the book. It is a form of chronological snobbery to consider Daniel – or any other biblical text for that matter – irrelevant to the contemporary social context in which it was written. 

Pete Enns, in a recent blog post, made some worthwhile observations when he said (albeit in the context of Genesis, but nevertheless still applies):

“All biblical writers were limited by their culture and time in how they viewed the physical world around them. This is hardly a novel notion of inspiration, and premodern theologians from Augustine to Calvin were quite adamant about the point. No responsible doctrine of inspiration can deny that the biblical authors were thoroughly encultured, ancient people, who spoke as ancient people. Inspiration does not cancel out their “historical particularity,” no matter how inconvenient. . . . We do indeed ‘know more’ than the biblical writers about some things. That alone isn’t an alarming theological problem in principle. But that principle has become a problem because it now touches on an issue that some feel is of paramount theological importance. . . . Should the principle be abandoned when it becomes theologically uncomfortable? . . . Acknowledging that we know more than biblical writers about certain things is not to disrespect Scripture. We are merely recognizing that the good and wise God had far less difficulty with ancient categories of thinking than some of us do.”

Daniel must be read within its own cultural context. Did Daniel have a message for its contemporaries, or was it only a book that was meant to be understood much later? It is unfair to place on this collection of writing a system of interpretation that would have been quite foreign to it. While I continue to investigate and attempt to understand the content, I won’t willfully ignore the vast amount of scholarship that has been done on this canonical collection.

There is much regarding Daniel, its timing, interpretations etc. which we may never be completely sure of, but what we can assuredly conclude is that Daniel stresses the action of the God of Israel and his intimate involvement within the affairs of humanity. Nothing, even the most horrific acts, eludes his attention.

Here are some thoughts from Goldingay which are worthy of repeating:

“There is no hint of timing in Daniel’s revelation. Whether it is actually comes from the Babylonian period, the Persian period, or the Greek period, it implies that history can be divinely foreknown, but not that it is divinely foreordained. The chapter does not speak of final events fixed since time’s beginning, of the whole world under evil’s power, of a dualism of this world and the righteous world to come, of judgment in the form of an immutable fate, or of a division of world history into periods determined by God. . . . It assumes that human beings make real decisions that do shape history, yet that human decision-making does not necessarily have the last word. It affirms the sovereignty of God in history, working sometimes via the process of human decision-making, sometimes despite it. The end of history promised here is not history coming to its goal. . . . Nor, however, is it history being broken off. . . . Nor are the four empires succeeded by a further, fifth empire, but by something wholly other. Daniel promises a new future, one which is not merely an extension of the present. . . . It is of supernatural origin. But it is located on earth, not in heaven. Daniel envisages no dissolution of the cosmos or creation of a different world. His understanding of this kingdom is more like the prophetic idea of the Day of Yahweh than that of some later apocalypses. The problems of politics and history can only be resolved by a supernatural intervention that inaugurates a new kingdom, but this involves changing the lordship of this world, not abandoning this world. The new kingdom fills the earth. History is not destroyed; other sovereignties are. . . . The qualities of this new rule are not described except by saying that it is God’s and that it lasts, both of which qualities contrast with those of its predecessors” Goldingay, WBC, Daniel, 59f.

In his book Seriously Dangerous Religion, Provan gives some good thoughts regarding Daniel. Daniel goes out of its way to inform the reader that this world -

“is governed by ‘beasts’ – the beastly empires described in Daniel 2 and 7. It is a world, therefore, that has been turned upside down. The world created by God is one in which human beings should govern the animals (Genesis 1:26-30), but in Daniel, the ‘animals’ govern the human beings. Here the idolatry of the self has been transposed into the idolatry of the state, and upon human beings who refuse such idolatry suffering falls, whether in fiery furnaces or in lions’ dens or in some other way. This is what happens when the emperor, in particular, comes to think that he is a god (Daniel 3)” Provan, Seriously Dangerous Religion: What the Old Testament Really Says and Why it Matters, 168.

I will conclude this chapter with this reminder as to the greater picture of God’s plan:

“The belief in the destruction of Babylonian, Median, Persian, and Greek rule is a powerful pronouncement to the listener that God will bring these reigns of terror to an end. All forms of inhumanity are destined to end, and it is this destiny that the faithful are invited to know and act upon by means of an insight in to the future of God’s plan” D.L. Smith-Christopher, NIBD, VII:55.

Check out DustinMartyr blog on Daniel 9, one, two and three.

Daniel - Part IV


Before the King: 


Daniel begins his interpretation of this dream in v 36. There is no need to speculate regarding the golden head, as Daniel informs the king that it is he. Josephus has it, 

“the head of gold represents you and the Babylonian kings who were before you” Ant. 10.10.4.

The four parts of the statue are similar to the four beasts of chapter seven and are four empires, although Goldingay does not think chapter two and seven correspond to the same motif. Other commentators such as Keil and Delitzsch view chapters seven, eight and nine to be further descriptive of that represented as a “whole” in chapter two (Keil and Delitzsch, 9:557). Regardless, both are linked together through some commonalities: in Nebuchadnezzar’s dream they are all part of one unified image and in Daniel’s vision of chapter seven, they are all beasts. Also, a shared component is the external phenomenon – not from among them – that ultimately triumphs by annihilation, i.e. stone cut without human hands (chapter two) and the intervention of the “son of man” and “ancient of days” (chapter seven). 

But within chapter two, what conclusion should be drawn of these kingdoms as to their identities? It probably comes as no surprise to know that through the years the interpretations regarding the “who’s who” of these “empires” has varied, depending on the period of time and who was doing the interpreting.

Even before the Greek conquest, the idea of three empires succeeding one another – Assyria, Media and Persia – is documented. Both Herodotus (I, 95, 130), writing in the fifth century B.C., and Ctesias, writing in the fourth century B.C., affirm this. Flusser notes,

“Thus, the idea of three empires: Assyria, Media and Persia is probably a Median historical conception before the conquest of the East by Alexander” JOC, 323. 

Even Assyria to Media is mentioned in Tobit (14).

Flusser adds that when the idea of four empires is compared with the Zoroastrian conception of four periods within human history, it became an eschatological and political ideology with anti-Greek tendencies, as Rome would be in a later period and interpretation. It’s not too hard to imagine how a contemporary rule would react to literature that speaks of its utter overthrow and destruction. Such speech is anti-imperial and thus rarely explicit in its detail, as well as interpretation.

The fourth book of the Sibylline Oracles contains the four-empires. It is related as Assyria, Medes, Persians, Macedonians (Greece). In the document, an apparent secondary change (Flusser, JOC, 319) took place where Rome was introduced following Greece. “World domination” is applied (in the SibOr text) to the Assyrians (v. 50), Persians (v. 65) and the Romans (v. 103). Rome did not belong in this source, as it is outside of the ten generation history on which it is based, meaning that it was a later redaction of the text.

It is generally accepted today by scholars, that the four empires of Daniel were intended as Babylonia, Media, Persia and Greece (Flusser, Judaism and the Origins of Christianity, 324). Isaiah and Jeremiah have texts that seem to point in this direction as well:

“The LORD has aroused the spirit of the kings of the Medes, Because His purpose is against Babylon to destroy it; For it is the vengeance of the LORD, vengeance for His temple” Jer. 51:11, cf. 28 NAU

and 

“Behold, I am going to stir up the Medes against them, Who will not value silver or take pleasure in gold. . . . Babylon, the beauty of kingdoms, the glory of the Chaldeans' pride, Will be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah” Isa 13:17, 19 NAU.

In addition to these texts, there are those that speak of Persia, with Cyrus at the Babylonian helm (2 Chron. 36:22-23; the entire book of Ezra; Isa. 43, 44, 45). There are also texts which mention a “Darius” as king during Jerusalem’s post-exile restoration (Hag 1:1, 15; 2:10; Zech 1:1, 7; 7:1).

Historian W. Durant, with a detailed historical recounting of the ANE empires, says this of Cyrus:

“When Cyrus and his disciplined Persians stood at the gates, the anti-clericals of Babylon connived to open the city to him, and welcomed his enlightened domination. For two centuries Persia ruled Babylonia as part of the greatest empire that history had yet known” Our Oriental Heritage, 263.

Durant also summarizes the downfall of the Medes:

“When Cyrus, the brilliant young ruler of the Median dependency of Anshan, in Persia, rebelled against the effeminate despot of Ecbatana, the Medes themselves welcomed Cyrus' victory, and accepted him, almost without protest, as their king. By one engagement Media ceased to be the master of Persia, Persia became the master of Media, and prepared to become master of the whole Near Eastern world” Ibid, 352.  

While I am not entirely convinced one way or another (mostly due to not having adequately considered the parallels in chapter seven), important questions to consider are, “why would content have been included or excluded in a book such as this, what purpose would it serve? What would the readership have taken it to mean, and why?

Flusser offers an explanation of how and why the interpretive shift from Greece to Rome as the fourth kingdom took place:

“The book of Daniel reached its present form between 168 and 165 B.C.E. at the beginning of the Maccabean revolt against Antiochus Epiphanes. The scheme of four empires with Greece at the end was not obsolete from the political point of view of the Jews in Palestine persecuted by the Greek King [Flusser here notes Dan. 11:30 containing a hint of Rome’s intervention against Antiochus’ plans to conquer Egypt]; but it would no longer fit the political reality in Asia Minor after 191 B.C. E. because there it was already clear that the Romans succeed Macedonia. . . . As to the book of Daniel itself, there is a common opinion that its author used older material from various periods” JOC, 324.

It is the historical events of Babylonia, Media and Persia and their relation to certain parts of Daniel where I have some difficulties. For instance, Daniel five states that Belshazzar saw writing on the wall, which communicated that his kingdom was being turned over to the “Medes and Persians” (5:28). That night, says the text, Darius the Mede received the kingdom (30-31). However, Belshazzar was the son of Nabonidus, not Nebuchadnezzar. And it was Nabonidus, not his son, who was the last king of Babylon, regardless of being a coregent or not. Carol Newsom points out that there are 

“five ancient sources that refer to the events of the fall of Babylon in 539 B.C.E.: (1) The Babylonian Chronicle . . . (2) the Cyrus Cylinder . . . (3-4) the accounts of the Greek historians Herodotus (1.190-91) and Xenophon . . .(5) the account of Berossus, a Hellenistic-era Babylonian historian ” Newsom, Daniel, 163.  

According to the Nabonidus Chronicle in the Ancient Near Eastern Texts (ANET, 306-307; 315-316), Cyrus was the one who invaded Babylon (as Chronicles, Ezra and Isaiah indicate), and did so without opposition.  John Collins notes that the inclusion of a “Mede” is a redaction for “Cyrus the Persian” for the sake of the four-kingdom motif (Collins, Daniel, 242).

The problem I have with interpreting Media as the silver, second kingdom in the dream of the image is that she was coexistent with Babylon, although indisputably inferior. Under the leadership of Nabopolassar, the Babylonians – united with the Medes under Cyaxares along with the Scythians from the Caucasus – succeeded in destroying Assyria in 612 B.C. Durant puts it, 

“at one blow Assyria disappeared from history” Oriental Heritage, 283f.

So then, how does Media fit this description, “In your place another regime will arise inferior to yours”?

Babylon did not fall to Media, but to Persia, who also had taken over Media. I see no reason from the historical evidence to combine Media and Persia as though they were one kingdom, as they most definitely were not. Combining the two kingdoms does not solve the issue regardless. While the metal does decline in value, it is not ultimately what the dream is about. Focusing on the metal seemingly misses the point. 

Collins, while interpreting the four the way most scholars do today, does mention, 

“The inclusion of Media in the succession of world empires appears odd because Media never ruled over the Jews. It was, however, included in a reckoning that became traditional in Greek and Roman historiography” Collins, Daniel, 166.

Daniel - Part III


The setting:


In chapter one of Daniel, the story of Jerusalem falling under the power of the Babylonian superpower and her ferocious king Nebuchadnezzar is told. A lot could be said here culturally, how kings in the Ancient Near East (ANE) handled conquered territories etc. For instance, Daniel and his friends mentioned are not just random peasant children, but in all probability sons of nobility, or to use an anachronism, part of the aristocracy. We know this not only from ANE practice of conquering and creating vassal relationships, but Josephus (Ant. 10.10) informs us of this as well.

In Daniel two, a new scene begins where the king had a troubling dream. I won’t recount the story, but basically, the king refused to tell his dream for the sake of not wanting to be deceived regarding its interpretation. The diviners and specialists of these matters protested the impossibility of his request, although David Flusser notes from Herodotus, Croesus King of Lydia testing the Greek Oracle, makes the request of Nebuchadnezzar “reasonable” or “not so illogical as the book of Daniel pretends” (Flusser, JSTP, ii:2; JOC, 325).

The Hebrew hero Daniel asked for time and the king (obviously) consented and through the pleading of Daniel to the God of Israel (Yahweh), the secret was made-known in a vision.

The Interpretation:


The interpretation of this dream has been one of constant debate. It is important in a text like this to pay attention to the structure. The reason being, the context is partially reliant upon another portion of the text of Daniel (anachronistically titled “another chapter”). Far too extensive to cover in this post is the chiastic structure with chapters two and seven serving as bookends (see Goldingay, WBC, Daniel, 158; IVP Dictionary of the OT Prophets, 110). Beginning in 2:4, the language changes from Hebrew to Aramaic and reverts back to Hebrew after the conclusion of chapter seven.  

Within this dream – in chapter two – the king saw an image, a large (great) statue. Its parts were divided into head (gold), breast and arms (silver), belly and thigh (bronze) and finally legs (iron) and feet (mixed iron and clay). Goldingay comments that gold and silver are representative of “majestic and precious” in political and religious contexts while bronze and iron are “strong and hard.” He also states that “the four metals together sum up the variety of valuable natural resources” and “there is no implication of deterioration as we move from head to trunk to hips to legs; nor are these four metals 'the metals of idolatry.'”

Since the discovery (1948) and publication of the Dead Sea Scrolls, fragmentary details have aided the study of not only Daniel but have contributed invaluably to furthering many other biblical studies as well. Such is the case with a fragment known as the Prayer of Nabonidus (4QPrNab, 4Q242). Nabonidus was the last king of Babylon and the father of Belshazzar. It is thought by some scholars that this fragment is part of an earlier form of the Daniel story, where it retains Nabonidus, who later became identified as Nebuchadnezzar for various reasons. One proposition is due to it being Nebuchadnezzar who conquered Jerusalem and destroyed the temple.

With the other Daniel-related traditions belonging to Jewish literature (Prayer of Azariah, Song of the Three Jews, Susanna, Bel and the Dragon) it is not difficult to understand how these stories circulated, even independent of each other. PrNab is illuminating to Daniel in several ways, but pertaining to this chapter (two) it contains the materials found in the image of the dream:

“Words of the pr[ay]er which Nabonidus, king of [the] la[nd of Baby]lon, the [great] king, prayed [when he was afflicted] by a malignant inflammation, by decree of the G[od Most Hi]gh, in Teiman. [I, Nabonidus,] was afflicted [by a malignant inflammation] for seven years, and was banished far [from men, until I prayed to the God Most High] and an exorcist forgave my sin. He was a Je[w] fr[om the exiles, who said to me:] Make a proclamation in writing, so that glory, exal[tation and hono]ur be given to the name of [the] G[od Most High ». And I wrote as follows: « When] I was afflicted by a ma[lignant] inflammation […] in Teiman, [by decree of the God Most High,] [I] prayed for seven years [to all] the gods of silver and gold, [of bronze and iron,] of wood, of stone and of clay, because [I thoug]ht that t[hey were] gods.” F.G. Martı́nez, The Dead Sea Scrolls: Study Edition, 1:487.

Is it possible that this story took on more than one form through the years? Is it possible that as time went on, the shifting sands of external political forces and internal religious factions that dramatically affected Israel had an emphasis on the way the story was told and redacted in specific periods of time?

Like I stated at the outset of this series, my point is not to draw radically different and dogmatic conclusions merely for the sake of doing so, but rather to consider alternative points of view, comparing historical events well-known to scholars, but often obscured from the average Christian. My hope is that this inquiry is not seen as an affront on supernaturalism, prophecy or the preservation of words God intended for his people. My objective is to better comprehend how this collection of texts was intended to be understood and thus (hopefully) come to a fuller grasp on what God wanted his people to know concerning the troublesome times they (we) continue to face.  

Be sure to check out DustinMartyr on Daniel 2, 7 and 8.

Daniel - Part II

Ancient and Modern Perspectives:


The interesting thing about Daniel is the attitude toward it. The Old Testament (as Christians know it) is for Jewish folk called Tanakh, which is an acronym taking the T from torah, N from navi (im) (prophet(s)), K for ketuvim (written things, writings) and adding some vowel sounds. It is somewhat telling that Daniel is not grouped in with the prophets but rather the writings

“Daniel is classified with the Major Prophets in the LXX and was regarded as a prophet already in antiquity (Matt 24:15; Ant 10.11.7 [266]). Yet in the Hebrew Bible the book of Daniel is found in the Writings, in the fourth place from the end (before Ezra, Nehemiah and Chronicles). The position in the Hebrew Bible reflects the late date of Daniel (after the collection of Prophets had been standardized) but may also reflect an awareness that Daniel does not belong with the Prophets in genre” (Anchor Bible Dictionary, ii:31).

Why? David Flusser takes up the challenge in an attempt to answer the question as to why Daniel – the only full-fledged apocalyptic book (Anchor, ii:31) – was incorporated into the canon. He writes, 

“Ultimately this came about because of the first part of the book, chapters one through six, which contain legends about Daniel as a man, seer and healer from the end of the Babylonian era and the beginning of the Persian. . . . As for the tales in the first part of the book, they were dear to the hearts of the Jews of the day because they contain the two earliest accounts of Jewish martyrs” (Flusser, Judaism of the Second Temple Period, The Jewish Sages and Their Literature, ii:5).

The majority of scholars date the book to the second century B.C.:

“The book of Daniel can be dated with relative precision between the second campaign of Antiochus Epiphanes against Egypt in 167 BCE and his death in 164” (J. Collins, SBL, Semeia 14, 30). 

It is also typically considered vaticinium ex eventu, although this is not the case for all. John Walton, for instance, states that this 

“appears to face considerable problems. The four-year time span (168-164 B.C.) is far too short for a book of that time to be written, copied, circulated and adopted as truth and then preserved as canon.”

He continues on,

“the presuppositional rejection of supernaturalism is largely responsible for the rejection of a sixth-century date for the book.”

He also goes on to say that

“the linguistic evidence (in regard to the both the Hebrew and Aramaic of Daniel) points toward a earlier time than the second century, as does the appearance of Daniel in the Septuagint (usually dated as early as the third century B.C.) and the Dead Sea Scrolls (from the first and second centuries B.C.)” Walton, Survey of the OT, Zondervan, 2nd ed., 454.

Jesus did refer and quote Daniel as a prophet, but in reality it’s not as clean-cut and easy as it may first appear. For example, scholars know that Enoch 1 is depicted in the content of at very least a couple NT writers and an influence on others (like Paul). Does this mean that those individuals believed the book of Enoch to be literally penned by the historical individual or was rather eponymous?

The role of a prophet was not merely or always predictive. They were messengers from the God of Israel to deliver words of hope, reassurance and more than not, repentance. If we are to be good expositors of any text – including Daniel – we need to ask the questions of why and how this message functions within the social and ethical context of the Hebraic community.

Skip Moen in a recent blog post on exegesis put it this way:

“Exegesis is a linguistic-theological project. It begins with what the author of the text meant in the cultural framework of his world. It must begin there since there is no other way to understand the words that he wrote. This may lead to theological assertions (or it may not) but the theology is secondary. Theology is abstraction from the text, just as the speeches of Romeo and Juliet are not directly applicable to our generation. Doctrines that regulate what the text must mean hinder exegesis. They are the stuff of paradigms and typically prevent us from seeing anything in the text except what the paradigm says is in the text. The biggest obstacle to learning God’s word is thinking that we already know what He says. We must practice spiritual suspended animation, putting what we think we know on the shelf, if we are going to re-think what the text teaches. Hopefully we will find that what we thought we knew is still the case. But not always. Sometime our most cherished beliefs are the very things that prevent us from hearing what the original author said.”

Christianity has little conception of the reality that in the Hebraic world of literature, authority rather than autograph was of greater significance. In other words, in an oral as opposed to a textually dominant culture, attempting to link the origin of a book itself to a specific individual is not as important as the tradition and authority on whom it is based. John Walton remarks, 

“We should remember, however, that this canonical final form does not override the authority figures or the traditions that preceded it. . . . Authority is not dependent on an original autograph or on an author writing a book. Recognition of authority is identifiable in the beliefs of a community of faith (of whom we are heirs) that God’s communications through authoritative figures and traditions have been captured and preserved through a long process of transmission and composition in the literature that has come to be accepted as canonical” Walton, Lost World of Scripture, 68.

Daniel - Part I

I am interrupting the series on salvation history for a number of posts on the visions within the book of Daniel. I will get back to the salvation series in the not-too-distant future. Over at his blog DustinMartyr, Dustin Smith is tackling the same subject. He posted his second article already, but here is his part one and two.

Traditional use and abuse


I’ll be frank, I am no prophecy savant. Allow me to be even more candid; prophecy interpretation (and the failure thereof to do so correctly) has inadvertently promoted heinous acts and has resulted in duping copious amounts of people throughout the centuries, often times with devastating results. This has left a horrible taste in my mouth and a hesitation to draw dogmatic conclusions when past expositors have been guilty of distorting the text and perpetuating error for personal prosperity. All of those having used prophecy in this way have been one-hundred percent wrong, one-hundred percent of the time.

As with any genre of literature, it is important that proper hermeneutical principles of context, culture and adequate historical analysis guide the reader. As illustrated above, it is patently obvious that the general attitude and application/interpretation of prophetic texts has been a dismal failure. The book of Daniel is no exception.

I concur with Josephus when he said,

“if anyone be so very desirous of knowing truth, as not to wave such points of curiosity, and cannot curb his inclination for understanding the uncertainties of the future, and whether they will happen or not, let him be diligent in reading the Book of Daniel, which he will find among the sacred writings” (Ant. 10:10.4).

Regardless of the date one accepts as genuine for Daniel, the simple fact remains: interpretations tend toward becoming functions of the group reading the specific text.

In scholarship:


There has been a good deal of debate within scholastic circles centering on this book, pertaining to its origin, authorship and authenticity. It has been a challenge to step-back and reevaluate the flood of information available on the matter, and who/what is to be trusted. I have attempted to analyze and examine it from a logical, practical and as unbiased position as possible. Here are some of the conundrums which I have faced and facts which can hardly be ignored:

1. Scholarship is necessary. Without it there is no archaeological evidence wherewith to establish proper cultural context, no lexicography, no critical texts or textual analysis, no commentaries and the last step, no English translation. If you doubt this, most what is said here will be meaningless.

2. Not everything scholars say and think is true. Scholarship is old. Really old. The best of the best have been wrong, just ask John Hagee. Scholars are and can be wrong, but the methodologies, tools and accessibility to copious amounts of ancient texts at the disposal of today’s historian have never been greater.

3. Prophecy is part of faith in the God of Israel. This cannot be overlooked. If we trust in the God of Israel, there is a certain amount of faith (which cannot always be proven by analytics) required. The problem for historians is there is no way to substantiate the claim. Historians cannot authenticate prophecy or prove the veracity of miracles, which is partially why the date is troublesome. For instance, how can Daniel two and seven include information about Rome or Greece if there isn’t even a Pompey yet? This does not in and of itself disprove miracles or prophetic forecasts from having taken place. I am merely relating why it is troublesome for historians in general.

4. The book possesses difficulties. Not only does Daniel present difficulties for scholars within its own content, but contains historical inaccuracies against the vast amount of evidence from the period in which it claims to have been written and the period in which most scholars have concluded it was written. That is to say that the book is actually one piece of literature by one individual from one period of time, which it almost certainly was not. An example is Belshazzar in Daniel being presented as Nebuchadnezzar’s son rather than Nabonidus’s son, not to mention certain acts of Nabonidus attributed to Nebuchadnezzar.

5. General scholarly consensus views Daniel as a prophecy written after the fact (Latin vaticinium ex eventu). Meaning, Daniel was a reverse history, and not necessarily always a very good one.

6. Jesus called Daniel a Prophet. This has been, and continues to be one of my greatest challenges to the way I view Daniel. Jesus appealed to events predicted in Daniel and identified himself as the “son of man,” which is depicted in the seventh chapter. If we are to take Jesus and the Gospels seriously, what are the implications of modern scholarship’s dating, view of origin and composition? Are we to then assume Jesus was claiming to be Gabriel and/or endorsed Canaanite mythology?

These are a few questions that need to be taken into serious consideration. It’s not just a matter of flippantly dismissing any difficulty that either scholarship or traditionalism presents and throwing it under the bus of canonicity for the sake of convenience rather than face a perceived hardship. It also needs to be remembered that no matter the position some may take, it does not make them a heretic or a Jesus denier/hater.

Dwarvish Greed

In 1 Peter 3, the writer makes mention of certain “spirits” that were disobedient in the days of Noah, which of course takes us to Genesis 6, and the “sons of God” (a common Hebrew designation for angelic or spirit messengers/beings e.g. Job 1:6 2:1, 38:7, Dan. 3:25) who were disobedient then (according to pseudepigraphic literature;  Jubilees, Enoch) subsequently shut up and confined for a future judgment.

Peter also seems of this mind,

“For if God spared not the angels who had sinned, but having cast them down to the deepest pit of gloom has delivered them to chains of darkness to be kept for judgment;” 2 Pe 2:4.

The writer of the book of Jude (who quotes from Enoch) says,

“And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day” Jud 1:6.

Is this the judgment to which Paul referred when he told the Corinthians that they would “judge angels”. Peter also says after the Messiah was resurrected (“made alive in the spirit”), he declared (proclaimed) it to them (these spirits). We are not told what he proclaimed, but since Jesus was the messianic king and rightful heir of the Davidic throne, the fulfillment of the “promises to the fathers”, the inheritor of the “first-born” son of God status and now the possessor of the kingdom (Daniel 7), we can assume he said something along the lines of “ha-ha”. Paul also stated that he was

“vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels” 1Ti 3:16.

In Revelation there is a character named Abaddon (“Apollyon in Greek”) Rev 9. His name means destroyer, destruction, place of destruction. He has shown up before (Job 26:6, 28:22, 31:12 Ps 88:11, Prov 15:11, Prov 27:20) and is sometimes used synonymously with “the grave”, Sheol. It is possible that the “destroyer” of Exodus in the killing of the first-born, is one in the same. 

Also the “lawless son of destruction” spoken of by Paul could possibly be related. Abaddon is called (in Revelation) the “angel, King of the Abyss”. In chapter 17 of Revelation the beast that

“was and is not [at the time of the writer it can be assumed] and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction…the beast which was and is not…he goes to destruction.”

Is this the same one? Possibly.

I had a dream where I was spectator viewing the industrial revolution, specifically the newly formed quest for oil. Some feel that there is justification to do whatever to the earth, with no repercussions to be reaped. In the dream however, the greed of man was such that it was decided to probe deeper into the earth’s crust for the “liquid gold”. This is a real practice by the way, called “fracking”.

Technically it is called “Hydraulic fracturing”; it is the process of drilling and injecting fluid into the ground at a high pressure in order to fracture shale rocks to release the energies confined. These wells are quite a bit deeper than standard wells. Anyway, this was being done in my dream. All of a sudden, I found myself in Tolkien’s “mines of Moria” when the drums were beating, “doom, doom”.

I was looking into the blackness below from the bridge, and wondering what was happening. Then I heard Gandalf speaking about the Balrog, where greed had led, and what had become of the dwarves there because of it. For anyone privy to Tolkien’s Middle-Earth, they know that it was the greed of the dwarves of Khazad-Dum (later called Moria) and their deep delving for the much desired mithril that had roused the Balrog. This was the demonic creature of Tolkien’s world very akin to Apollyon described in Revelation. In The Fellowship of the Ring this demon afflicted the fellowship.

In my dream, I saw the “fracking” and the continued upsetting of the earth as a comparison (it’s one of those realizations that can happen in dreams).

In the deep delving by the greed of man, they awoke the creature of the abyss. There was much destruction and chaos that ensued. Earthquakes and multitudes of other “naturally appearing” phenomenon issued forth. That was pretty much the extent of it.

Now back to reality. I’ll be honest, I don’t know much about “fracking” or its implications, but I do know that there are plenty of concerned people wondering about the possible repercussions. One in particular that caught my attention is the fact that “fracking” is done below our water supply, and it appears that there is a possibility of contamination should fractures come up to it, and that which is being mined getting mixed into the water.

Either way, it was an interesting dream, and it sure seemed to take a lot longer to dream it than it did to tell it. Is there coming a day when there will be a beast coming up from his dark chasm? Some think so, but just like Gandalf pursued the Balrog and destroyed him, may it also be with the “sons of Light/God” who will accompany the king and take the kingdom and rid the world of the power of evil.

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One Great Tri-Personal Book - Part V

On page 10, Irons briefs his interlocutors and readers with reasoning as to how Jesus’ deity is found in expressions of “revealing the Father” and exalted terminology such as “image of the invisible God,” which in his opinion is why 

“the church fathers took up this theme and made it one of their key arguments for the deity of Christ.” 

I heartily concur that it is indeed Jesus, the son, who most fully and adequately reveals the Father, but Jesus was not the first to be (in) “the image of God.” Adam (humanity) was created in the image of the invisible God and this in no way necessitated an argument for Adam’s deity. An attempt to prove a divine nature or ontological oneness with the Father based on him being the “true revealer” was (in my opinion) rather weak.

On page 12, Irons – interpreting John 17 – spoke of the conscious state of Jesus reflecting on his past glory with the Father.

“There is only one center of consciousness, one ‘I’ of the Son, as he speaks of his relationship with the Father as man and as he looks back upon his preincarnate life with the Father ‘before the foundation of the world.’ It strains credulity to interpret these straightforward vignettes of the pretemporal, interpersonal relationship between the Father and the Son as mere hyperbole of a personified divine attribute.”

First, his reference to “before the foundation of the world” is a line found in Revelation (as well as other places), and is telling because this phrase speaks to notional or ideal preexistence and foreknowledge not literal eternal existence with the Father (cf. Acts 2:23; 1 Pet. 1:19-20; Rev 13:8; 17:8).

My question is, if I am to believe that as the human, yet incarnate son, who - in kenotic form - set aside his divinity (which orthodoxically included omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence), how then was he unable to access divine knowledge of the Father’s plans vis à vis the timing of the future, but able to access divine son knowledge about the eternal glory he shared with the father before assuming mortal flesh? In other words, if the son laid it all aside (kenosis), that knowledge should have been off limits, rendering him incapable to reminisce of the eternal state alongside his Father prior to his birth/incarnation. This seems to me an irreconcilable double-standard which does not square with either the Biblical account or Chalcedon.

The “two tests of ontological deity” proposed by Irons to prove Jesus’ identity were:

(1) He used “all things were created through him” (based on John’s prologue, statements in Paul’s letters and Hebrews) and argued that “all things” need refer to the corporeal universe. Utilizing the creator/creature distinction, he surmised that Jesus cannot possibly be on the creature side of the juxtaposition, but mentioned nothing of "in heaven and on earth," “rulers and thrones,” as speaking to authority, rather than material creation. 13-14.

(2) Aseity. I was a bit confused in his presentation of this, as he used passages that - in context - suggest that the authors were speaking of Jesus in his humanity rather than divinity, otherwise I am left to read the texts in a nebulous of weaving curiosity as to which of Jesus’ two natures were being referenced.
For instance, he wrote, 

“The New Testament predicates aseity, and therefore ontological deity, of Jesus. The Father has granted the Son to have ‘life in himself’ (John 5:26) and therefore he possesses the uniquely divine attribute of aseity” 15. 

This is somewhat of a non sequitur, for on the same page Irons defined a se as: 

“a Latin phrase which means that one has one’s being ‘from oneself’ and not from another. Only God has aseity.” 

Therefore, if Jesus – whether as divine or human son - had to be “granted” aseity, it is by definition not aseity! There was a time when the son was not a se. The Father alone is a se, so it does not follow that because the Father granted the son “life in himself,” this is somehow synonymous to aseity.

He wrote, 

“Jesus is unchanging.” 

What did he mean by this, the divine or human? When “Jesus” is referenced, is this his humanity (which was born) or the preexistent logos? Jesus - the man - grew, learned (obedience) and upon his resurrection and subsequent glorification was changed. In my opinion, Irons did not prove Jesus’ ontological deity, and further arguments contingent upon this unproven premise were nullified because they were begging the question.

In his comments on the Johannine Prologue, Irons made the claim that the 

"logos existed as a divine being distinct from God the Father." 

While many read it this way, it is a bit presumptuous to build a Christological stronghold around its “personhood.” It rather says the logos was “with” God. It is the logos (word) in the prologue that finds expression and fulfillment (becoming flesh, manifested) in Jesus of Nazareth, who was born to Mary, not “the logos born and assuming flesh as a pre-existent entity.” The logos was always with God, in this way of speaking, but does not mean Jesus of Nazareth was. You can read my brief sketch of John’s logos here. 11

He argued against two-stage Christology in favor of a “three-stage career” of the son which includes:

“(1) the preincarnate state of the Son, with God the Father before and at creation, (2) the first phase of his incarnate state, that is, his earthly ministry, and (3) the second phase of his incarnate state, that is, his exaltation at God’s right hand.”

In his perspective, a two-stage Christology (eliminating preexistence) would mean a human received divine honors, and the deification of a “mere man” would be implausible or 

“conceptually and theologically impossible within the context of an early Christian movement composed of Jewish believers raised in and committed to the strict monotheism inherited from Judaism. Therefore, the exaltation of Christ must be interpreted along different lines.”  

He had previously clarified that his use of “divine” was not like that observed by the culture (citing the example of Romulus’ apotheosis). Irons believes that an exalted human is an infringement on strict Jewish monotheism, but yet the identity of a being and subsequent claim of two-natures in a hypostatic union that belongs within a tri-personal entity who has always been the God of Israel is not? This argument is another where its coherence eludes me. If it is not Jesus’ humanity being exalted, what then is the point? Why would a divine son who already possessed the “fullness of the Godhead,” ontological oneness, or as the NIV puts it, “in very nature God” need exaltation (Phil. 2:6)? Irons seemed to have forgotten the orthodox position of the two natures for a moment, which posits that Jesus, an incarnate, fully human being, set aside all deity. If Chalcedon is to be accepted as foundational to the hermeneutic, divine honors would be bestowed on a human in Phil. 2 anyway, because Jesus never ceased to be fully human. At this point, one would not be referencing the preexistent logos, but the man, the historical Jesus. The honors and exaltation are bestowed not pre-incarnation, but after, as the result of his obedience. Both Dixon and Smith had good responses to this segment. 16

Irons wrote, 

"no mere creature could be given that divine authority as Lord of all creation” 17.

I align with the statements of Smith in response: 

“His statement is problematic for a number of reasons. First…a sinless, miraculously begotten Son of God who will one day rule as the king of the kingdom could never be called a ‘mere creature.’ This again sets up the straw man. Secondly, I am surprised that Irons finds no parallel to human figures being given universal domination. Was not Adam told, ‘rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the cattle and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth’ (Gen. 1:26-27)?” 42

On page 21, the argument Irons provided as to Jesus' role in God’s redemptive action in no way necessitates his identity as fully and ontologically divine. He spoke of mediation and brandished the term "incarnate son." His statements regarding the “objective accomplishment” and “subjective response to redemption” requiring ontological divinity were completely unfounded.

I also found his bandwagon fallacy a bit surprising: 

“Millions of ordinary Christians throughout history have confessed that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, exalted at God’s right hand as sovereign Lord over all creation, and have put their faith and trust in him as their divine Savior and have worshipped him as such.” 

Regardless of what millions have done or believed does not provide a basis for arguing ontological identity with Yahweh, divine sonship or anything for that matter. The same logic could be applied to four-thousand years of Israelite belief in the one true God, who Jesus confessed as his God, with no belief in a Trinity. What about those millions of ordinary Hebrews through whom God chose to reveal himself to the world? Were they all completely mistaken about their God for all those years? In all fairness, he did not rest his argument on his above statement, but placed it following his exposition as to why Jesus must be a divine savior. 21-22


After the first round of responses and challenges by Dixon and Smith to his core argument that the son is eternal and thus a second ontologically divine person (eternally generated alongside the Father and Spirit), Irons still did not provide any biblical basis for this claim, but rather reframed and continued to beg the question he envisioned as adequately having been established. 49

Subtle Declarations

Did Jesus confirm his messiah-ship before the high priest? Was his messianic proclamation linked to the one who would rebuild the temple?

Jesus had remarked that he was going to destroy and rebuild the temple (Mt. 26:61, 27:40, Mk. 14:58, 15:29, John 2:19) (John of course explains that this meant “his body”). Why did the priest ask plainly about him being the messiah/christ after the witness said,

"'This man stated, 'I am able to destroy the temple of God and to rebuild it in three days.'" 

It is, of course in the Scriptures, and if you don’t know them, you may not catch it. The question of the high priest comes out of the witness’s own testimony: Zech. 6, 

“Behold, a man whose name is Branch, for He will branch out from where He is; and He will build the temple of the LORD.” 

It was thought by some that the branch would be the messiah, and Jesus' answer is quite clever and incidentally incited rage due to the insinuation from its context. Jesus' response is, 

“the son of man will be seated at the right hand of the power of God" (Lk. 22:69, Mt. 26:64). 

This is obviously taken from Ps. 110:1 where Yahweh (the first Lord) is speaking to a second lord (adoni), who is the eschatological king and also David’s lord, according to the interpretation of our NT sources (Mt. 22:44-45, Mk. 12:36-37, Lk. 1:31, 20:42-44). 

"The LORD [Yahweh] says to my Lord [adoni]: 'Sit at My right hand Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.'"

This passage is so evident that there was absolutely no ambiguity in Jesus’ claim to this position at the right hand (power) of Yahweh. This can also seen in the fact that Ps. 110:1 is the most quoted messianic eschatological passage in the NT at roughly 20 times. It is also quite probable that Jesus had in mind Ps. 80:17(18) as well: 

“Let Your hand be upon the man of Your right hand, Upon the son of man whom You made strong for Yourself.” 

This Psalm speaks of a vine and shoot, not unlike a branch.

“Take care of this vine, Even the shoot which Your right hand has planted, And on the son whom You have strengthened for Yourself.” Ps. 80:15

Who is this shoot? Well, that may be a declaration of faith.

“Then a shoot will spring from the stem of Jesse, And a branch from his roots will bear fruit. The Spirit of the LORD will rest on Him, The spirit of wisdom and understanding, The spirit of counsel and strength, The spirit of knowledge and the fear of the LORD” Isa. 11:1-2.

"In that day the Branch of the LORD will be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth will be the pride and the adornment of the survivors of Israel." Isa. 4:2

"Then all your people will be righteous; They will possess the land forever, The branch of My planting, The work of My hands, That I may be glorified." Isa. 60:21

"...the days are coming," declares the LORD, "When I will raise up for David a righteous Branch; And He will reign as king and act wisely And do justice and righteousness in the land." Jer. 23:5

"'In those days and at that time I will cause a righteous Branch of David to spring forth; and He shall execute justice and righteousness on the earth." Jer. 33:15

"...behold, I am going to bring in My servant the Branch…I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day. "In that day," declares the LORD of hosts, "every one of you will invite his neighbor to sit under his vine and under his fig tree." Zec. 3:8-10

How could they have possibly gotten it wrong? Or did they? Who are they?

Mark and Divine Christology?

Michael Bird posted the following summary regarding the Jesus of Mark's Gospel:

The Marcan Jesus participates in the kyricentricity of Israel’s God. He is identified as a pre-existent heavenly figure who has come to earth, who carries divine authority, who embodies royal and priestly roles; and in his person, words, and deeds he manifests the holy presence, the redemptive purposes, and the cosmic power of the Lord of Israel.

Is this an accurate summary for Mark's description of Jesus? I think not. Preexistence as a former or incarnate "heavenly divine figure" is reliant upon interpretations regarding Daniel's son of man in Mark. Here are some excerpts from J.R.D. Kirk on the subject from his paper Mark's use of Son of Man and Paul's second Adam Christology:

"In Mark’s Gospel, Jesus is depicted throughout as an idealized human being...Mark’s idealized human Christology is both signaled and captured, in part, through the self-designation 'Son of Man' on the lips of Mark’s Jesus. Such a high, human Christology is best explained as an Adam Christology refracted through the lenses of both Daniel 7 and the earliest narratives about Jesus’ life, death, and resurrection. As idealized human figure, Mark’s Jesus has authority to rule the world on God’s behalf, suffers and dies, is raised from the dead, rules at God’s right hand, and returns in heavenly glory. 170

In the story of Mark, the identity of Jesus as suffering and vindicated Son of Man and the identity of the Son of Man who comes in the eschaton as an active agent within the final judgment scene are inseparable, and thus are to be interpreted jointly as facets of the same reality. 172

Consideration of the first two Son of Man sayings will highlight the problematic nature of the claim that Jesus as 'Son of Man' is divine. First, Mark’s Jesus uses the Son of Man locution in two controversy stories, and in each he claims unique authority for himself. In the first, he is claiming authority, as Son of Man, even to forgive sins (Mark 2:10). Inasmuch as this is responding to the scribes’ question, 'Who can forgive sins but God alone?' (Mark 2:7), the story is ripe for a divine Son of Man interpretation. And yet, such an interpretation is not without its problems, and an authoritative, human representative is a better reading of the passage’s Christology. One problem with the divine Christ interpretation is that the scribes, as opponents of Jesus in the narrative, are not trustworthy interpreters of Jesus’ identity. Another point of caution is raised by Matthew’s Gospel, which points the reader in a different direction by concluding that the crowds celebrate God giving such authority either 'to' or 'among' people (τοῖς ἀνθρώποις, Matt 9:8). The authority in view may be a delegated authority, even in Mark. 175

...Son of Man is not, for Mark, a signifier for divinity. While this saying has garnered a great deal of attention as pointing toward an aphoristic use of 'Son of Man,' such an interpretation is not how the phrase works in Mark’s gospel. 176

Mark 2:28 decisively undermines the notion that Mark’s Son of Man is a divine figure, signaling to the reader that the original meaning of “the human being” continues to flavor the connotations of the phrase in Mark’s story. 177

Jesus rules and returns not because he is preexistent divinity, but because he has been faithful son of God on earth and is therefore exalted to God’s right hand. The authority that Jesus exercised upon the earth, and over all things created for the sake of humanity, because he was 'the human one,' he then holds in exalted fashion as this same, but glorified, 'human one.' The Son of Man is enthroned at God’s right hand as the crucified human Jesus who was then raised from the dead." 178-9